Milwaukee Police Chief Right: CCW Justifiable Shooting Increases Homicide Numbers

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It was a dark and cold winter night on Tuesday, 27 December in Milwaukee, at 10 p.m. The sun had set more than three hours ago. There was no moon, but there was a cold breeze. The temperature held at 23 degrees. The blustery wind of the afternoon had dropped off. A 36-year-old Milwaukee resident was walking his dog in a secluded neighborhood. Street lights were far apart.

Two teenage criminals were in a car, cruising for trouble. They found it. The armed teens attempted to rob the man. He had a concealed carry permit, a handgun, and fought back. One of the teens was killed, the other, seriously wounded, fled in the car back to the scene of a previous shooting. From Fox6now.com:

Police say their preliminary investigation reveals Thomas was attempting to commit a robbery at the time of the shooting and was shot by the 36-year-old Milwaukee man who was being robbed — who was out walking his dog on Tuesday night. That man is being questioned by investigators. He has not been arrested, and police say this case will be reviewed by the Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office in the coming days.

The man has a concealed carry permit.

Officials also say Thomas’ co-actor, an 18-year-old Milwaukee man, was also shot during the altercation. He apparently went to the neighborhood near 24th and Ruby after the incident — and has since been taken into custody.

Police Chief Ed Flynn, a transplant from Massachusetts and New Jersey, says a big part of the Milwaukee homicide problem is concealed carry permits.   From the postcresent.com:

 “What we’re seeing are more guns on the streets,” the chief told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin. “I can tell you anecdotally we’re seeing a number of shootings involving concealed carry permit holders — many of whom have extensive criminal records — but I’m not allowed to tell you how many or whom, because the law has been carefully written to prevent analysis of that information.”

Chief Flynn conveniently leaves out the fact that only one Wisconsin concealed carry permit holder has been convicted of a homicide, and he was convicted of manslaughter by a jury. He pled self defense. I am certain that if any other unjustified homicides had been committed by concealed carry permit holders, the information would have been leaked to the media.

But Wisconsin concealed carry permit holders are incredibly law abiding, like the permit holders in other states. The statistics show that CCW holders are more law abiding than police officers.

Milwaukee homicides may break the record set in 1993 this year. There were 160 homicides that year. The rest of Wisconsin typically has 37 homicides in a year.  Milwaukee seems to be on track to do so. We won’t know until the end of the year.  There were a number of self defense shootings in Milwaukee this year. They are included in the unofficial site totals.

Chief Ed Flynn has said that another problem with minority neighborhoods in urban centers, is that they do not trust the police.

In “disadvantaged communities of color,” he noted, “crime has not gone down. It’s gone down in some place called America. But in those neighborhoods, there’s easy access to firearms… and there are extraordinary rates of homicide. Nationally, African Americans represent 51 percent of homicide victims. In our cities it’s more like 80 percent.

“It’s an urban tragedy. But the heart of the police dilemma is those neighborhoods that demand our services, need us the most, request us the most, depend upon us us the most, for social or historical reasons, distrust us, and… we can’t protect them effectively if we’re not trusted.

Chief Flynn is right about the problem being a lack of “trust of the police”. You do not prove to people that you trust them by disarming them. From Machiavelli: From “The Prince”:

There is no comparison whatever between an armed and disarmed man; it is not reasonable to suppose that one who is armed will obey willingly one who is unarmed; or that any unarmed man will remain safe…. – Niccoló Machiavelli, The Prince. 1537.

You do not foster trust of the police by claiming they are racist monsters who are looking for chances to gun down innocent black men. That meme has been implicitly pushed by President Obama and the establishment media with the whole “Black Lives Matter” propaganda. It is what has caused the Ferguson Effect, where police, repeatedly attacked by the media and “progressives”, (but I repeat myself) pull back from violent neighborhoods. In those neighborhoods, the murder rate has skyrocketed.

Milwaukee Chief Flynn seems to prefer that the innocent 36-Year-Old Milwaukee resident be a good little victim, and submit to whatever the teen criminals demand of him. The good citizens of Milwaukee disagree. In a quick review of the 80 comments at the article reporting the shooting, I could not find one that agreed with that view.  This one was typical:

JR

They got what they had coming to them. Good job to the robbery victim. This is why i am for carrying

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  • Dick

    As a previous Milwaukee resident, Chief Flynn will say anything that Mayor Barrett (a Bloomberg anti-gun activist) will LET HIM say. Concealed carry holders in Wisconsin go thru a background check. If they are criminals, have a police record, they are not allowed a carry permit. At least that is what the law was when I got my Wisconsin carry permit. The problem in Milwaukee is NOT the carry permit holders. are many reasons for the high crime and murder rates in Milwaukee. Among them are the liberal judges, prosecutors letting criminals off early, poor police presence, high unemployment (especially among young people), high illegitimate birth rate-so no family influence, among other reasons. If police chief Flynn were to be honest about crime in Milwaukee, he would be fired by Mayor Barrett. If you want an HONEST answer, listen to David Clark, the Milwaukee County Sheriff.

  • Dan N

    Maybe I’m a dummy, but I thought “extensive criminal records” and “ccw holders” were not possible to mix together. Again, I may be wholly ignorant on this as I do not live in Wisconsin. To get a ccw permit, the applicant must meet with a officer of the court or law (such as a judge or sheriff) who will review their application and their criminal history, or lack thereof. That’s just to get that little laminated piece of paper. This person must then go to a gun store and pass a NICS screen to get the handgun (again, not a resident and I know some places bypass NICS if you have a permit. Feel free to correct me). Finally, if all these murders (not justified self-defense) were being committed by ccw holders, why has only 1 been arrested? Given the behavior of the Bloomberg army, I’d think such things would be on every news site in the country. Having a really hard time understanding Chief Flynn.