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LA Cops “accidentally” shoot two innocent hostages

In a tragic story out of Los Angeles, LA County Sherriffs killed a hostage that they mistook for a knife wielding maniac.

A  911 caller told dispatchers a man with a 10-inch butcher knife was threatening people. So when Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies saw a wounded, bloody man rush out of a West Hollywood apartment with someone following him, they opened fire.

Of course, the second innocent hostage, 30 year old John Winkler, fleeing for his life didn’t have a knife on him because well…he was an innocent hostage FLEEING FOR HIS LIFE.  Unfortunately that means that he fled right into a hail of bullets by some trigger happy cops.  But apparently the cops feel bad about it so somehow that makes it ok.  In a statement released by the LA County Sherriff’s Dept, the entire department mourned Winkler’s death.

Well bully for them.  Oh, on top of killing the 2nd innocent hostage trying to flee the knife wielding maniac, they also managed to shoot the FIRST fleeing hostage as well, the one with the knife wound in the neck.  Miraculously, no thanks to the LA Deputies, the first victim they shot seems to have lived.

After shooting the two innocent men, deputies entered the apartment, found the actual suspect with the final hostage and arrested him. All four men involved ended up in the hospital.

Cue the coverup; From The Wire:

The latest statement conflicts with the sheriff’s department’s earlier statement about the incident, which claimed that the other man was not hit. The LASD has not said why it took so long to figure out that its deputies shot two people instead of one. Another deputy told CBS LA that Winkler and the other man “aggressed the deputies.”

I guess it took a little while to line up the ducks to make it ok to shoot 2 innocent men instead of just one.

Here’s a kicker…the hostage taker, Alexander MacDonald has been understandably charged with two counts of attempted murder, one count of torture AND one count of murder…for the guy THE COPS SHOT.

The officers involved are not likely to face any charges and have so far not been identified.

But if things stay true to form these officers will be just fine.  You see, an innocent law abiding citizen can shoot a person actually trying to kill them and STILL face court trials and jail time, but cops who shoot and kill innocent people just get a shrug from the legal system as it is accepted as business as usual.

Don’t believe me?

Houston Police Officer Marin said that his partner and he felt threatened by a man (Brian Claunch) in a wheelchair waving a pen at them.  The man was threatening to stab them with this pen so they shot him dead.  No charges filed.

A pair of NYC Police Officers open fired on a man in Manhattan.  While he did kill someone was no longer an immediate threat, but the officers hail of bullets and terrible marksmanship (16 shots fired, suspect hit ONCE) ended up getting 9 innocent people shot in the process.  Were they suspended?  Hell no, Mayor Bloomberg publicly praised them.

There are tons of other stories in which the police are given passes for their reckless and criminal negligence and where law abiding citizens face jail time for actually doing the right thing.  And I’m not even going to get into all the innocent pets murdered by kill happy cops with no-knock warrants.  It’s a hypocrisy that should not be allowed to stand.

And don’t get the wrong idea.  I’m not bashing cops.  They have a difficult job, I understand that.  But THAT does not give them a license to kill.  Having a dangerous job does not give you a shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more and if anyone is left alive ask a question or two.

What I am saying is that if police officers can not go off half cocked and kill and shoot innocent people because “their job is dangerous” then they NEED TO FIND ANOTHER JOB.

Victims of crime generally do not get to choose to be victims, so when they run out of a hostage situation they do not deserve to be murdered by police officers who CHOSE to do a dangerous job.

The officers involved in murdering John Winkler and shooting the other innocent hostage should at least be fired if not brought up on charges themselves.  But that just doesn’t seem to be the way things go in Los Angeles.  Earlier this year, eight LAPD officers shot 103 bullets at two Hispanic women they mistook for one black man.  One of the women was hit twice.  The officers involved were given “extra training” as punishment.  What they need is to be fired for being legally BLIND.  Mistaking 2 latinas for 1 black guy is bad enough but missing them with 101 bullets is ridiculous.

But this is just how it goes in the 2 America’s.  The law abiding have to suffer and die while the government and its agents are given free range to murder at will.

I do not stomach hypocrisy well.

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  • durabo

    Collateral damage shows bad form.

    • Bullets First

      Absolutely. But to compound it, the fact that the officers don’t have any negative impact on themselves personally means that there is no reason that their cavalier attitudes on being quick on the trigger, innocent bystanders be damned, means that these situations will only INCREASE over time.

  • Truth Teller

    It isn’t as if any rational person still believes the USA is a free country.

    Think about it. No-warrant wire taps, indefinite detention of citizens without charges, approval of rendition of prisoners and torture, stop and frisk without probable cause, search and seizure without a warrant, no-knock entry, confiscation and destruction of cameras that might have been used to film police acting illegally, police brutality, police shootings that go without investigation, managed news, and the civil-rights destroying “Patriot” Act.

    Acts of police behaving illegally, with shootings, Tasers, and unwarranted violence now appear almost daily. Rarely are these offenses punished. Most often “an investigation” is claimed, but soon forgotten.


In addition, the USA, with 5% of the world population, has 25% of all of the prisoners in the world. That means the USA has the most people in prison of any nation in history. Even by percentage of residents incarcerated, not just sheer numbers. USA is # 1

    Does any of that sound like a free country?

    As Dwight D. Eisenhower said about communism, “It’s like slicing sausage. First they out off a small slice. That isn’t worth fighting over. Then they take another small slice that isn’t worth fighting over. Then another and another. Finally, all you have left is the string and that isn’t worth fighting over, either.

    • andrewwww

      Your a idiot for a posting this and you copyd this from somone else you idiot


    This has been the sop for the lasd, and lapd for many years.Sherrif Baca is also under fed investigation for mass corruption and agency wide malfeasance. MOLON LABE!! nsa dhs gfy

  • chasaragdy

    A Comment and and a suggestion. At most law enforcement academies, during their weapon’s training one tactic is to KNOW how long to wait–one milisecond, twenty or fifty miliseconds–before pulling the trigger of any weapon aimed at any person. During that hesitation the trainee, the eventual shooter, must decide “friend” or “foe”.

    It is evident these officers of the L A County Sheriff’s Department should ALL stand down, undergo additional firearms training, and not be reinstated until several top trainer’s from the FBI Academy in Quantico, VA, re-certifies each officer! I’m sure the majority of the county’s sheriff’s department are qualified officers; however, perception is reality, and there is no room for error!

    The Los Angeles area Federal Prosecutor should appoint a seven-member panel of retired NON-PARTISAN judges, with subpoena powers, to investigate the shootings, and pass their findings to the Grand Jury for indictments!

    • chamuiel

      After killing innocent victims, why do you think they should be reinstated at all?

      Seriously, would you want them having your back?

      • chasaragdy

        I am NOT an advocating for corrupt cops on any law endofcement department or unit. However, when ANY person is shot, in just about every jurisdiction, the officer is placed on administrative duty, until I. A. (Internal Affairs) has completed their investigation). Some, maybe even the majority of victims shot by law enforcement is justified. That being said, there is a process that “weeds” the bad cops out (and probably should never been placed in their role, except to probably meet some Federal mandates), and that process MUST BE HONEST!! One other very importqant issue is the union representation–it is almost impossible–in many goon-union protected job positions is IS impossible–to fire or discharge imcompetent persons!

        The same goes for a citizen that kills another individual, there is a process and it also MUST BE HONEST. Remeber, per the Constitution (of which I am Constitutional Conservative) guarantees: INNOCENT until proven guilty!!!

  • Christopher L

    IT WAS NOT ACCIDENTALLY California has the HIGHEST corrupt dirty cops in the NATION a FACT, not PAPER FACT but a TRUE FACT I can NAME 12 dirty cops starting from South San Francisco, California. Many have this EGO that their BADGE will save them, I am seeing a mass amount of BACK-FIRE and KARMA-Aint it a BITCH

  • mark

    Remove the cops fro the force permanently! They murdered this man!

  • janmaus

    For a start, you could fire anyone guilty of judgment this bad! If a cop knew he would lose his job instead of face a few weeks of paid leave, he might actually consider the action for a milisecond.

  • Phillipe Violette

    efen cops

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