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The Argument For Being Able To Legally Shoot Crooked Cops

The 2nd Amendment was highlighted in the Bill of Rights to ensure that citizens have the right to defend themselves.  For some reason over the years that has gotten watered down to defending themselves against petty criminals but it extends passed that to be first and foremost a defense against a tyrannical government and those who would exploit their position at the cost of a innocent persons liberty.

A case in point is a situation that occurred back on Sept. 30, 2011 in Missouri.   Jason and Laura Hagan, who home school their three children, were the subject of an investigation by Child Protective Services alleging that their home was messy.  Take a second to let that soak in.  They were under investigation for having a “messy” home.  If that were actually true, how many of us would be under investigation?  No.  From the looks of it it would seem that the local authority might have some issue with the act of homeschooling…hard to get indoctrinated in an Obamanation when the government loses those 8 hours a day with your child.

While the home schooling aspect is a side issue, the harassment by the social worker is not.  While the Hagan’s complied with the first inspection they refused when the social worker returned for another “inspection”, this time accompanied by  Captain David Glidden and Sheriff Darren White of the Nodaway County Sheriff’s office.

Good for the Hagan’s for standing up for themselves on such an obviously political strong arming.  Remember, there was NO allegations that the children were being abused, neglected, or in any way endangered.  The only “infraction” that the social worker spoke of was that the home was “messy.”

The Hagan’s were well within their rights to deny entry to the shocktroopers that the social worker came with.  Alas, the shock-troopers did not like the Hagan’s standing up for themselves and as such turned violent.  First they grabbed Laura by the wrist and pulled her off her porch.  She managed to struggle free and make it back into her home with her husband.

The officers then bum-rushed the door and forced their way in, pepper spraying both Hagans in the face repeatedly while Jason was tasered multiple times.

The officers continued their assault by smacking Laura in the face so hard her glasses were knocked off and literally kicking Jason while he was down numerous times.

These big tough guy cops even pepper sprayed the dog and started screaming that they would kill it if if didn’t stop barking.

Take a moment and ponder this.  If I told you that these two thugs weren’t cops and did all of this, what would you think the general consensus would be on how the Hagan’s should have responded?  I would imagine that shooting the intruders dead would be what most people would say.

Yet somehow, when you give criminals a badge it somehow seems to negate that opinion.  These two “officers” didn’t have a warrant.  There was no reasonable suspicion that the children were in danger nor was there any sign or inclination that a crime was being committed.  Yet they still broke into the Hagan residence and repeated assaulted them.  All because the Hagan’s had the courage to stand up for their rights and say “No”.

For their troubles the Hagans were arrested and charged with resisting arrest and endangering the welfare of a child.  Their three children, who were traumatized by witnessing their parents being brutalized, were taken into Child Protective Services custody and remained there for nine days.  Yet it would be another 5 months before the Hagan’s received full legal custody of their own children again.

So in reality, the Hagan’s were beaten and arrested for contempt of cop and their children were kidnapped.

Once again, take away the badges and people would have suggested that these home invading criminals and kidnappers be shot.

And make no mistake, what Captain David Glidden and Sheriff Darren White did that day was illegal.  It took a year but the court ruled that the actions of Glidden and White  where completely out of line and the trumped up charges against the Hagan’s were ludicrous and without merit.

In his decision Judge Edward Manring stated:

“Law Enforcement Officers entered the residence of the defendants without a warrant.  The State has not offered sufficient, if indeed any, evidence of an exception that would justify a warrantless entry.”

Taken in its most favorable light, the State’s evidence is that on the date in question, the condition of the defendants home was unchanged from the month before, on the initial visit of the Children’s Services case worker.  It is not plausible to believe the condition of the premises would change or that the risk to any child in the residence would be any greater during the delay necessary to obtain a warrant.”

“The claim of inevitable discovery was not made by the State, but even if it had been made, the Court will not allow that exception to sanction warrantless entry into a private residence by pepper spray and taser.

“If the officer had a warrant in hand and such force was necessary, that is a different story, but those are not the facts of this case.”

On a side note, when Jason Hagan was down and being kicked and tasered his wife was trying to tell the officers about his heart condition that had found him in the hospital the week before.  These two criminal cops could very well have killed a man with their assault and battery during an illegal forced entry.

A badge should not make a cop above the law nor should it shield crooked cops from the people’s righteous use of the 2nd Amendment to stop themselves being murdered by crooked cops.

That is why more states should follow Indiana’s lead and make it legal to defend yourself against crooked cops who would murder you in their frenzied rage should you dare not consent to illegal searches.  Back in 2012 lawmakers made changes to the Castle Doctrine in which the exception for crooked cops was removed.  Now the castle doctrine is as follows:

(b) A person:
(1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.

This protects citizens, like the Hagan’s, right to defend themselves, who would otherwise be defenseless against crooked cops who would brutalize and murder them all while hiding behind a shield.

This also protects citizens from cops who bust in their house in the middle of the night guns blazing but at the wrong address.  Innocent citizens should not have to suffer, be beaten, have their kids traumatized and have their dog shot because a cop can’t read an address correctly.  If, in the dead of night, a group of armed men burst through my front door with guns I’m gonna start shooting.  I should be protected from litigation if these home invaders turn out to be cops at the wrong house.  How am I supposed to know?  This extends into my distaste for no-knock warrants.

All in all, cops shouldn’t be allowed to illegally, either through malicious intent or ignorance, be able to break down a door to an innocent persons home, beat and traumatize them and then just go “whoopsies.”

A 2nd Amendment response should be applied equally to all home invading criminals whether they wear a badge or not.

As the author of the Indiana law, State Senator R. Michael Young, said:

“There are bad clergy, bad doctors, bad teachers, [bad cops] and it’s these officers that we’re concerned about that when they act outside their scope and duty that the individual ought to have a right to protect themselves.”

Such laws do not condone an open season on law enforcement officers.  But it does limit the protection that bad officers have from breaking the law.  The shield should protect the righteous but be simple tin for those who would abuse the public’s trust.

As for the Hagan’s, they have brought a Federal Lawsuit again Glidden and White for the violating their civil rights.  I wish the Hagan’s luck and a big pay day.


  • Hop

    Tough position to be in either way. You can protect yourself and your home from illegal entry by shooting the bad cops, and let the SHTF later. Or you go along with the illegal entry and hire the best lawyer you can find afterward. I suppose if the cops came in shooting, I’d certainly return fire because my life, and the lives of my family members, would be on the line.

    • Fredrick Rehders

      Well. Hop… resisting arrest when the law breaks down your door will get you and your family killed, no matter if they are in the wrong! It’s just stupid to die, unnecessarily trying to prove that you are right. It is possible to withhold consent and still yield without violence. The Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas come to mind.

      • Hop

        Agreed, sir. Hopefully, the cops would not enter guns a-blazing and force my hand. I guess it would be better to be arrested unlawfully and sort it out later.

      • JT

        Don’t forget Ruby Ridge.

        • Fredrick Rehders

          No sir, I won’t forget the Weavers! Waco, or The Alamo!

  • Don’tTreadonUs

    Those people need to hire some really good lawyers….

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  • Oldshooter

    This actually has some relevance to the current “Ferguson protest movement”. The main problem with that movement is simply that it focuses attention on a bogus “racist” element that close examination will show does not exist. That will tend to cloud the issue and cover up the fact that illegal behavior and excessive use of force by arrogant cops, occurs regularly across the spectrum, throughout our country, against citizens of all races, most of them actually against white folks (that’s just what we have the most of, statistically folks – don’t get your panties in a wad over it!).

  • Barrustio

    I hope they do collect a bunch ….rightfully so. Just like the 76 year old who was body slammed and tazed for not having an inspection sticker on a recently bought car with a paper plate

  • Airb0rne4325

    Besides being placed on paid vacation some criminal charges should be in order.
    If they did not have a warrant or the judge found that there was no reason for the forced entry then that is B&E, assault and battery, and kidnapping.
    These men and women in blue can “stretch” the law and sort it out later because there are no teeth in the consequences if they are found lacking in judgement. Place some real punishment on their actions and it may give them pause in a situation such as this in the future.

  • ChildofELOHIM

    So-called law enforcement officers who behave in this fashion should face job termination and be permanently banned from ever being police officers; also, significant prison sentences; and as well as being jointly responsible … financially!!!!
    When officers lose sight of the U.S. Constitution they should be compelled by the courts to assist their respective and individual governmental subdivisions with “all” the financial costs associated with being SS Troops!!!!

  • 0hiojoe

    Hope they don’t come here to Afghanistan, my 8′ X 8′ room is so crowded that I have to deal with clutter or store my clothes outside!

  • JT

    “As for the Hagan’s, they have brought a Federal Lawsuit again Glidden and White for the violating their civil rights. I wish the Hagan’s luck and a big pay day.”…….AMEN

  • ihatelibs

    At MY House , You Better have a Warrant , and , YOU Knock or GET SHOT .

  • ihatelibs

    Rest assured my Fellow Patriots . It Better change . If not and Keeps going as it is . There WILL be Another Armed Revolution . ( which by the way . I HOPE ITS SOON ) I WILL be In it . >>> US NAVY 100% Disabled VET . NAM ERA …LOCKED & LOADED MOLON LABE

  • lgwatson

    I bet the Hagans prevail in their civil suit.

  • robocop33

    Blantant misuse of their authority! While the Sheriff is an elected Office and not a professional LEO he is supposed to learn what the laws are. The Captain should certainly be a professional Law Enforcement Officer who should know the legalities of what they were doing. A Warrant is required to enter the home lacking any emergency situation. What the Hagans should have done was object to their entry into their home based on their rights under the 4th Amendment. When the Sheriff violated this Amendment they should have immediately called their attorney. They should not have tried to use force to stop them from entering the home. The Attorney is the one to issue the warning of what will happen should they enter your home. Failing that stopping them then a Federal Lawsuit against them for violation of your Civil Right is in order and you will make enough money off this case to ensure you are well off from now on.
    As for this stupid idea of trying to shoot cops when YOU think they are crooked or violating a law is beyond stupid. All that is going to do is get YOU killed. You point a gun at me, you are going to become dead very quickly and that’s a fact. Not only that but the Officer would be totally justified to shoot and kill you. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

  • johnny b

    I pray that their attorney is bright enough to file a Bivins Action and name the morons in this case individually as well as naming the State and Sheriff’s office…..
    I pray for a huge settlement for these people and unemployment for the Sheriff’s…..
    Due to the militarization of police everyone should have one of these!!!!!!!!

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